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Well that was blunt. In any case, I won't go into an in depth argument about this for one side or the other, because I am not really leaning towards either option being better... what I will say, however, is that personally, I would rather live a very difficult life than none at all. As long as I have the ability to consciously think, I will be satisfied. If that idea proves to be wrong, which I doubt it would, suicide is possible.
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According to SH this post is on watch O,o
Anyways, I just think of that because children suffering isn't very nice, and as everyone knows, they don't need our money to help them, they can provide this stuff, instead of money off of us, why not the government transfer some money over, lets say £1m? Due to the face the government has BILLIONS of money, they can't give it them now obviously due to the bad timing of the Olympics (Which they shouldn't host here in the UK because they can't afford it and the country will go down the drain with prophits) and with that the money goes down, but if after the Olympics the money shoots up again then they should give some money towards helping Africa so then the view of steralising the mothers dissapears and they'll live a happy life and the place will be MUCH better off!
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population control is a pretty controversial thing to discuss, but it must be brought up in the future. This may seem radical but a one child per couple law or something along the lines of that MUST be put forth or our resources will be gone, and we all die.
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| snowyporpoise wrote: | | population control is a pretty controversial thing to discuss, but it must be brought up in the future. This may seem radical but a one child per couple law or something along the lines of that MUST be put forth or our resources will be gone, and we all die. |
Isn't China already doing this?
EDIT: I know this thread is about Africa, but I thought I'd bring up this point about China for discussion purposes, I guess.
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| snake345 wrote: | | Due to the face the government has BILLIONS of money, they can't give it them now obviously due to the bad timing of the Olympics (Which they shouldn't host here in the UK because they can't afford it and the country will go down the drain with prophits) and with that the money goes down, but if after the Olympics the money shoots up again then they should give some money towards helping Africa so then the view of steralising the mothers dissapears and they'll live a happy life and the place will be MUCH better off! |
If you think people will have a happy life knowing their culture is doomed, you don't understand people at all.
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| sorasgoof wrote: | | snowyporpoise wrote: | | population control is a pretty controversial thing to discuss, but it must be brought up in the future. This may seem radical but a one child per couple law or something along the lines of that MUST be put forth or our resources will be gone, and we all die. |
Isn't China already doing this?
EDIT: I know this thread is about Africa, but I thought I'd bring up this point about China for discussion purposes, I guess. |
There's a big difference between population control and killing a race, which sterilization does.
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| Smeddy24 wrote: |
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| sorasgoof wrote: | | snowyporpoise wrote: | | population control is a pretty controversial thing to discuss, but it must be brought up in the future. This may seem radical but a one child per couple law or something along the lines of that MUST be put forth or our resources will be gone, and we all die. |
Isn't China already doing this?
EDIT: I know this thread is about Africa, but I thought I'd bring up this point about China for discussion purposes, I guess. |
There's a big difference between population control and killing a race, which sterilization does. |
I believe snowyporpoise specifically said "population control," which is what I was commenting on. 
EDIT: He also mentioned the "one-child policy," which China also does.
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| sorasgoof wrote: | | Smeddy24 wrote: |
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| sorasgoof wrote: | | snowyporpoise wrote: | | population control is a pretty controversial thing to discuss, but it must be brought up in the future. This may seem radical but a one child per couple law or something along the lines of that MUST be put forth or our resources will be gone, and we all die. |
Isn't China already doing this?
EDIT: I know this thread is about Africa, but I thought I'd bring up this point about China for discussion purposes, I guess. |
There's a big difference between population control and killing a race, which sterilization does. |
I believe snowyporpoise specifically said "population control," which is what I was commenting on.
EDIT: He also mentioned the "one-child policy," which China also does. |
Yes, but a protracted genocide and population control are very different things, and, as abhorrent as the latter is, it's a huge slander to put it in the same category as forced sterilization.
I'd like to also criticize the racism/euro-centrism of sterilizing an entire continent. It's the humane thing for us to do? They're not dogs, they're people. They can make their own decisions, and "we" as non-Africans have no business coming in and performing invasive surgery on half the populace.
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| Smeddy24 wrote: | | I'd like to also criticize the racism/euro-centrism of sterilizing an entire continent. It's the humane thing for us to do? They're not dogs, they're people. They can make their own decisions, and "we" as non-Africans have no business coming in and performing invasive surgery on half the populace. |
But this is neither racism nor euro-centrism. This whole thing is based on fact, which does not constitute either; opinion does. Arrogant and immoral maybe, but not racist or euro-centric.
While I agree that we (non-Africans) have no right to perform such actions on the African people, this is very similar to the ever-enduring euthanasia argument, but replace terminal patients with poor African women. It's not right to bring up a child that way but we have no place either sterilizing them or controlling their population.
This sounds similar to the euthanasia argument, it is basically their (Africa's) decision. I highly doubt they would consent to such surgery but in any case, we don't have the right to decide for them.
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Smeddy24
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But this is neither racism nor euro-centrism. This whole thing is based on fact, which does not constitute either; opinion does. Arrogant and immoral maybe, but not racist or euro-centric.
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That arrogance is racist in its origin, though. I'm not arguing the poverty; I'm saying that "Oh my god, look how terrible it is! We have to put them out of their misery" is racist. It says we're better than them, our comparative wealth makes it okay, if regrettable to spay and neuter them. And the argument here isn't "Let's end the suffering of all the impoverished". There's poor on every continent. The suggestion doesn't include the poor in the former soviet states, nor those in Central America or Asia. It's maybe presumptuous to call it racism, but the persistent views of Africa as a primitive, uncultured waste are racist in nature, and the origin of this topic.
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| Smeddy24 wrote: | | RichardGHP wrote: |
But this is neither racism nor euro-centrism. This whole thing is based on fact, which does not constitute either; opinion does. Arrogant and immoral maybe, but not racist or euro-centric.
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That arrogance is racist in its origin, though. I'm not arguing the poverty; I'm saying that "Oh my god, look how terrible it is! We have to put them out of their misery" is racist. It says we're better than them, our comparative wealth makes it okay, if regrettable to spay and neuter them. And the argument here isn't "Let's end the suffering of all the impoverished". There's poor on every continent. The suggestion doesn't include the poor in the former soviet states, nor those in Central America or Asia. It's maybe presumptuous to call it racism, but the persistent views of Africa as a primitive, uncultured waste are racist in nature, and the origin of this topic. |
But Africans are worse off than the rest of the world, I would rather help them me. I think, Dave Grohl, feels the same as he gave a lot of money to help them  That's off topic but you get what I mean right?
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But Africans are worse off than the rest of the world, I would rather help them me. I think, Dave Grohl, feels the same as he gave a lot of money to help them That's off topic but you get what I mean right? |
Killing a culture doesn't help it.
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| Smeddy24 wrote: | | snake345 wrote: |
But Africans are worse off than the rest of the world, I would rather help them me. I think, Dave Grohl, feels the same as he gave a lot of money to help them That's off topic but you get what I mean right? |
Killing a culture doesn't help it. |
Though I disagree with killing a culture completely off, think of the millions of children that, although they will not live, they wouldn't suffer through the absolute hell of the poorer regions of Africa. They can't suffer if they don't have the chance to. |
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