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Barbaloot
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 1583
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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damienblack wrote: | The legal definition of involuntary servitude isn't just any service or servitude which is involuntary, though. The labor is performed for the benefit of another specific person, and the US Government (and all political subdivisions therein) is excluded. Given the historical context in which the Amendment was passed, it seems to me that they were focusing specifically on legally freeing the slaves as soon as possible, and not so much worrying about clarifying the language when they knew in their minds what the Amendment was supposed to be addressing. |
Notice that the government conveniently defines "involuntary servitude" as "involuntary servitude to someone other than us". This would be one of the "mind games" I referred to in my previous post.
If the government is allowed to redefine words as something other than their actual meaning in order to give itself more power, we might as well not have a Constitution to begin with. Congress decides that "Congress shall make no law..." means "Congress shall make no law...unless it has a compelling interest". The meaning of "...shall not be violated" essentially becomes "...shall not be violated...unless we feel like violating it". By twisting the words of the Constitution, politicians give themselves free reign to trample all over the rights of individuals.
This highlights the need to base the constitutionality of a law on the actual wording in the Constitution, not whatever meaning the politicians assign to those words. According to the actual words in the Constitution, the draft is unconstitutional since it is and will always be a form of involuntary servitude, regardless of what the politicians say. _________________
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Carson611
Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 267 Location: Parenting Classes
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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barbaloot what is your IQ . . . .SERIOUSLY
im actually agreeing with like everything your saying, its like if i was to say something, then you just make it 10 times better then say it yourself _________________
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pyrobob
Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 880 Location: In a tree in Katy, Tx.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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It's not disrespectful at all to sit during the pledge. If you don't see the pledge as anything more as reciting a handful of lines (is guilty), then why bother standing? It's no one else's business why you decide to waste the energy of standing or not, and it's entirely up to you. If they claim it's one thing, they're just ignorant to your beliefs and want you to do things their way.
At my school, we had the pledge first period (when I think the most clearly), and EVERY teacher I had learned real quick not to tell me what to do when they have no legal obligation to do so, mostly because I pwnd them with logic and twisted their flawed line of thinking to the point of it almost breaking entirely.
All in all, I don't give a rats ass if someone wants to stand or not. Personally, I stay out of peoples business, and I like people to stay out of mine. I didn't stand for the pledge, and people who told me to got a real quick explanation as to why I didn't.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't have any disrespect for anyone who wants to stand, nor for anyone who feels differently than I do (i.e. (ex)military personnel or family thereof), I just like doing things my way, and I'll be damned if someone will tell me to change it. _________________
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Deak2112
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 2441 Location: On the wings of a dream, so far beyond reality
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Carson611 wrote: | Deak2112 wrote: | Carson611 wrote: | barbaloot how did you get so smart??? |
He actually cares about these subjects |
and i dont??? why would i even open this thread if i didnt care what was in it?? |
Totally misinterpreted what I said. Most people just think about this shit here and there and will come here and give their 2 cents. Barbaloot actually cares about this kind of stuff therefore he has strong arguments _________________
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0wnd1zzl3d
Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 2116 Location: San Clemente, CA (Right between LA and San Diego)
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Deak2112 wrote: | Carson611 wrote: | Deak2112 wrote: | Carson611 wrote: | barbaloot how did you get so smart??? |
He actually cares about these subjects |
and i dont??? why would i even open this thread if i didnt care what was in it?? |
Totally misinterpreted what I said. Most people just think about this shit here and there and will come here and give their 2 cents. Barbaloot actually cares about this kind of stuff therefore he has strong arguments |
...Oooooor, he uses common sense. It has less to do with intelligence, and more with using logic. _________________
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JimmyPage22
Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 415
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tormentedbyu
Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 3090 Location: Katy, TX
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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pyrobob wrote: | It's not disrespectful at all to sit during the pledge. If you don't see the pledge as anything more as reciting a handful of lines (is guilty), then why bother standing? It's no one else's business why you decide to waste the energy of standing or not, and it's entirely up to you. If they claim it's one thing, they're just ignorant to your beliefs and want you to do things their way.
At my school, we had the pledge first period (when I think the most clearly), and EVERY teacher I had learned real quick not to tell me what to do when they have no legal obligation to do so, mostly because I pwnd them with logic and twisted their flawed line of thinking to the point of it almost breaking entirely.
All in all, I don't give a rats ass if someone wants to stand or not. Personally, I stay out of peoples business, and I like people to stay out of mine. I didn't stand for the pledge, and people who told me to got a real quick explanation as to why I didn't.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't have any disrespect for anyone who wants to stand, nor for anyone who feels differently than I do (i.e. (ex)military personnel or family thereof), I just like doing things my way, and I'll be damned if someone will tell me to change it. |
Pyrobob's tongue can be sharp. Really. lol
I feel sorry for said teachers. _________________
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xBaDxHackeRx
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 384
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Drevenant
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 562 Location: Foley, AL
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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xBaDxHackeRx wrote: | 1. By living in your country, it is assumed that you respect the country and God. |
By living in this country, nothing is assumed. Like you said, free will. I have the right to not respect and/or believe in God, and I have the right not to believe in the future success of this country based on it's past and present corruption. This country or no one in it has the right to assume I'm anything.
That's the point of this country, right? To escape prejudice and have a right to be who I want to be? _________________
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lazor
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 1079
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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JimmyPage22 wrote: | I'm not really touchy on this subject, but I usually stay seated, unless a teacher enforces it. Last week in my history class as we were supposed to get up, I stayed down simply to just get started on my work. Thats usually why I don't get up, or I just feel lazy. But, yeah, sometimes I do stand up.. depends how i'm feeling.
Also, I don't mean any disrespect or anything by not standing, I really am grateful for living in this country.
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cheeto865
Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 137 Location: Longwood, FL
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Well I have changed thoughts after this topic- I never really considered the free speech/religion/etc. ideas into this particular subject.
I still think that it's not TOO much to ask to stand up, but I definitely don't get as bitter when I see 10 people sitting down
On a somewhat related topic, it's always really freaking awesome when the whole student section at UCF yells "KNIGHT" when the word "night" is sung in the anthem. It just gives me chills every time.lol _________________
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