Community vs Trogdor: Progress thread

[GuitarHailz]

It's really cool that the community is trying to take down this song again. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Have you guys thought about what will be the method of "proof" that the FC(s) have been gotten in NTSC? I mean, I'd like to trust people on SH, but I can guarantee you if somebody gets the FC, the next thing people will claim is "I bet he did it on PAL!" So I'm just wondering if you guys have a plan for if/when that happens. Is there even any way to prove this is NTSC, or will we have the witwix drama going all over agian? IMO, we'll just be going in circles with the same arguments forever and ever until somebody FC's the song in a way that proves it without a doubt (which would be obscenely more difficult than just FCing the song, which is already obscenely difficult).

It would just be a shame to see the legit FC clouded by people crying "It doesn't count, I bet he used PAL!" :/

(Note: I know nothing of the NTSC vs PAL argument nor am I claiming either one is easier or whatever, I just know the nature of ScoreHero and that even if this thread produces something great, there will always be a level of doubt unless you guys have thought of something. I hope this doesn't start an argument or something cause I honestly hope somebody nails this FC.)
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[GuitarHailz]

It's really cool that the community is trying to take down this song again. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Have you guys thought about what will be the method of "proof" that the FC(s) have been gotten in NTSC? I mean, I'd like to trust people on SH, but I can guarantee you if somebody gets the FC, the next thing people will claim is "I bet he did it on PAL!" So I'm just wondering if you guys have a plan for if/when that happens. Is there even any way to prove this is NTSC, or will we have the witwix drama going all over agian? IMO, we'll just be going in circles with the same arguments forever and ever until somebody FC's the song in a way that proves it without a doubt (which would be obscenely more difficult than just FCing the song, which is already obscenely difficult).

It would just be a shame to see the legit FC clouded by people crying "It doesn't count, I bet he used PAL!" :/

(Note: I know nothing of the NTSC vs PAL argument nor am I claiming either one is easier or whatever, I just know the nature of ScoreHero and that even if this thread produces something great, there will always be a level of doubt unless you guys have thought of something. I hope this doesn't start an argument or something cause I honestly hope somebody nails this FC.)
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[eddaket]

[eddaket]

[LocalH]

[LocalH]

[GuitarHailz]

Okay, great. I just don't want history to repeat itself, that's all. It'd be a shame if whoever got it didn't happen to get a video, though. Ah well, we'll just wait and see.
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[GuitarHailz]

Okay, great. I just don't want history to repeat itself, that's all. It'd be a shame if whoever got it didn't happen to get a video, though. Ah well, we'll just wait and see.
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[thenewkidaw71]

[thenewkidaw71]

[eddaket]

EDIT: THIS HAS FLAWS, READ ABOUT THEM HERE http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1642753#1642753

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So I did some math out and here's what I am coming up with.

For all these calculations I am only counting the first 28 strums. The 29th (the O hold) isn't affected by the "close note" problem where the backend window gets cut. The section is 17.4667 notes per second (which we all can agree on).

For the 8 yellows, if you hit the first one 100ms early (got this number from strike's post. I don't know if it's legitimate) and the last one 28.63ms* late, you need to strum 13.2228 notes per second.

* - The notes are 57.25ms apart and according to strike, the latest you can hit a note is half way between the the note and the note after it.

This is where I start to get a little less sure about what I'm saying because of my lack of engine knowledge. Here, you hit the hammer on. I *assume* (please tell me if I am wrong) that hitting the hammer on DEAD ON will result in the note being registered as a hammer on and not as a strum. This means that immediately after the hammer on is hit, you can strum again. Rather than using the 57ms number from before for the front end for the first strummed blue, I used 50ms. Now, same thing. Hit the first blue 50ms early and the 5th (last) blue 28ms late and you get a whopping 13.0025 notes per second.

Doing the exact same thing with the oranges (starting 50ms early and ending 28ms late), you have to strum the 13 strums (remember, not the O hold) at 15.6730 notes per second. This seems way way way too low to me, but if the numbers I used are right (50ms, 28ms, 13 strums and 17.4667nps), then that's what it is... and it's possible.

What this means is you have to do the following.

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dudududuhdududhududududududud
13.2nps - 13.0nps - 15.7nps

^ Those are the absolute SLOWEST speeds you can do and hit them. You could also hit only the second hopo (the orange one) because the speed problems don't become an issue until you are in the oranges. That would give you 14.8 nps for the Y and the Bs. Hopoing the blue hammer on and strumming the orange one means you have to hit the Bs and Os at 16.2nps, which is pushing the limit. If we want to FC this section on NTSC, we need to at least use the O hopo.

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Of course, I have no clue what the hopo engine is like. This also requires stop and go precision within 40 milliseconds. Just some food for thought.

tl;dr - If someone can FC

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With only 15 strums, the song is possible.

[eddaket]

EDIT: THIS HAS FLAWS, READ ABOUT THEM HERE http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1642753#1642753

===

So I did some math out and here's what I am coming up with.

For all these calculations I am only counting the first 28 strums. The 29th (the O hold) isn't affected by the "close note" problem where the backend window gets cut. The section is 17.4667 notes per second (which we all can agree on).

For the 8 yellows, if you hit the first one 100ms early (got this number from strike's post. I don't know if it's legitimate) and the last one 28.63ms* late, you need to strum 13.2228 notes per second.

* - The notes are 57.25ms apart and according to strike, the latest you can hit a note is half way between the the note and the note after it.

This is where I start to get a little less sure about what I'm saying because of my lack of engine knowledge. Here, you hit the hammer on. I *assume* (please tell me if I am wrong) that hitting the hammer on DEAD ON will result in the note being registered as a hammer on and not as a strum. This means that immediately after the hammer on is hit, you can strum again. Rather than using the 57ms number from before for the front end for the first strummed blue, I used 50ms. Now, same thing. Hit the first blue 50ms early and the 5th (last) blue 28ms late and you get a whopping 13.0025 notes per second.

Doing the exact same thing with the oranges (starting 50ms early and ending 28ms late), you have to strum the 13 strums (remember, not the O hold) at 15.6730 notes per second. This seems way way way too low to me, but if the numbers I used are right (50ms, 28ms, 13 strums and 17.4667nps), then that's what it is... and it's possible.

What this means is you have to do the following.

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dudududuhdududhududududududud
13.2nps - 13.0nps - 15.7nps

^ Those are the absolute SLOWEST speeds you can do and hit them. You could also hit only the second hopo (the orange one) because the speed problems don't become an issue until you are in the oranges. That would give you 14.8 nps for the Y and the Bs. Hopoing the blue hammer on and strumming the orange one means you have to hit the Bs and Os at 16.2nps, which is pushing the limit. If we want to FC this section on NTSC, we need to at least use the O hopo.

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Of course, I have no clue what the hopo engine is like. This also requires stop and go precision within 40 milliseconds. Just some food for thought.

tl;dr - If someone can FC

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With only 15 strums, the song is possible.

[ace5993]

[ace5993]

[ukog-monkey]

K ima put a few mins into this everyday, hopefully I will get lucky. I will only do real runs tho, there is no skill involved lol

[ukog-monkey]

K ima put a few mins into this everyday, hopefully I will get lucky. I will only do real runs tho, there is no skill involved lol

[Yewb]

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[eddaket]

When I get home, I'm gonna make an audio file of strumming the exact slowest you should be able to (theoretically) hit the solo. I'll give two versions. Using both hopos and using only the O hopo. I'll also do both over the song audio so you know audibly when to start/stop strumming. If you want lower speeds (50% for slowest maybe?) let me know.

God I hope this is possible. That would rock .

[eddaket]

When I get home, I'm gonna make an audio file of strumming the exact slowest you should be able to (theoretically) hit the solo. I'll give two versions. Using both hopos and using only the O hopo. I'll also do both over the song audio so you know audibly when to start/stop strumming. If you want lower speeds (50% for slowest maybe?) let me know.

God I hope this is possible. That would rock .

[dave0113]

[dave0113]

[Kubuh]

[Kubuh]

[strikebowler585]

I have a feeling that when/if the 2/1 glitch even happens that it will just cancel out your next strum on the next note no matter what.

Just imagine. It would have happened a few times to a few people out of the millions who have played this game in the middle of the orange streak, resulting in an NTSC FC. If you are about 25 ms behind the streak and the glitch happens, you will automatically be 30 ms or so ahead by the next note, resulting in it being much easier.

Even if the chances were, for example, 1 in 1000 of the glitch happening once, there would be a few NTSC FCs out there.

I may have to get my ps2 out and test the huge timing window again. and I might manipulate other aspects of the game to find out more about it.
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[strikebowler585]

I have a feeling that when/if the 2/1 glitch even happens that it will just cancel out your next strum on the next note no matter what.

Just imagine. It would have happened a few times to a few people out of the millions who have played this game in the middle of the orange streak, resulting in an NTSC FC. If you are about 25 ms behind the streak and the glitch happens, you will automatically be 30 ms or so ahead by the next note, resulting in it being much easier.

Even if the chances were, for example, 1 in 1000 of the glitch happening once, there would be a few NTSC FCs out there.

I may have to get my ps2 out and test the huge timing window again. and I might manipulate other aspects of the game to find out more about it.
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[strikebowler585]

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