Marijuana Legalization

**JOE2210** · Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 2480 Location: In the Gagasphere

I'd love to legalise it, I can only see good things for the economy if it is taxed and regulated well. I've never smoked weed, and probably wouldn't even if it was legalised, not for any holier-than-thou reason, but because I'd rather not inhale smoke, the same reason I don't smoke cigarettes.
I'd totally support edibles though, because I have seen how it can help people medicinally.
One of my friend's brothers has quite severe autism, and having a small brownie with a moderate amount of marijuana (not sure how much in all honesty) and he was able to come off of his ridiculously strongly dosed antidepressants and a wealth of other psychoactive medication for a few hours. His parents wouldn't even contemplate it without something to replace it with because he would be utterly uncontrollable without his medication normally.
It meant we saw him as the guy he is behind all the aggressiveness and tendency to isolate himself, which was one of the most touching things I've ever felt. He's 19 by the way, so no issues about him being taken advantage of or anything. He's not got the cognitive learning disablilities or speech difficulties, but has pretty much everything else.
The only drawback of legalising marijuana in my eyes is the way employers see it. They will still test your urine or whatever for THC, and although they'll not be able to fire you, you could still be discriminated against. I only thought of it after reading how HIV positive people are more than 80% more likely to be fired for smaller menial mistakes than other HIV negative employees. It's not illegal to be HIV positive, but it breeds inequality and discrimination. I can see being a marijuana user being in the same vein.
And the obesity epidemic would be even worse. Think about it, all that brownie mix followed by the munchies and tiredness XD
That was a joke for those who find that kind of stuff hard <3
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**Yewb** · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 3020 Location: Plymouth, UK

I'm going to assume pot is safe until I'm shown papers that prove otherwise; you can believe what you like, of course, but I'm not going to go into uni at this hour (1am) so that I can access a range of scientific papers just to show Some Guy On The Internet that pot is harmless. I'm not even convinced such a paper would be easily obtainable, regardless of validity, due to the nature of the subject matter.
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expertwin wrote:

I just want to, you know, get my name out there. BTW, it updates every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Was just the first two, decided to do Saturdays as well.

Serious advice now: No-one likes indecision in their work, so find what you like that you're even remotely good at, and stick with it. Don't flit from one thing to another, because that just smacks of a large lack of determination and drive. And people don't like you for that, and won't remember you for it. I mean, I get that you have a plucky spirit and a willingness to try new things, but there's a limit, man.

I might knock it down to just Thursday and Friday.

JOE2210 wrote:

Leave me alone, I have been drinking and your made up words mean nothing to me.

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**fudrick** · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2372 Location: Orlando, Florida

I can get you a huge amount of links supporting the "it's safe" side, but I'm in the car right now. Watch "The Union" on google videos, and go to norml.org and erowid.org. The former is for marijuana specifically, while the latter is probably the most comprehensive database for all drugs.

If no one minds, I think we should also discuss the possibility of legalisation and complete harmlessness of LSD. It has been shown to be the most effective "cure" for alcoholism, and there are literally no negative aspects of the drug at all. It's impossible for anything bad to happen due to LSD usage, of course providing that you don't drive or anything, but if that means LSD is bad then so is reading.
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**fudrick** · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2372 Location: Orlando, Florida

I'm still in the car, but I'll start by saying that no known chemical is active in doses as low as acid (one tab is about 200 micrograms) so it can't be laced, and that the only long term effect ever reported and documented was schizophrenia in a few patients, all of whom had family history of the disorder, and I believe only one of whom had permanent effects, and that guy had a schizophrenic identical twin who had never taken the drug. This information cam be found under the LSD section on erowid and probably on wikipedia and various other sites.

DMT is also completely harmless, but it's fucking crazy. It's the most intense drug in the world, the vast majority of people should never try it.
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**fudrick** · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2372 Location: Orlando, Florida

Double post
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**Josseppe95** · Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 1045 Location: Philadelphia

Oh god, this has become quite the clusterfuck. @_@

My 2 cents on the issue: For the most part, I agree with Yewb, fud, etc. I'm not gonna say marijuana has absolutely no negative effects whatsoever, because while you can argue that it isn't physically addictive, it can 100% be mentally addictive to some people. But, like the gateway drug argument, it's kind of flimsy because it only works on a case-by-case basis.

But, I don't think the government and lawmakers are in ANY position to tell people that they can't have unhealthy habits. It's a victimless crime, the only victim is the person who is smoking the weed and he is KNOWINGLY doing it to himself, so I honestly don't see what the problem is. Yeah, definitely put restrictions on it and all that, but just legalize it and tax the shit out of it; seems like the best idea imo.

Also, MetalHeadNorm's post was fucking genius. I believe that as well, that if it's legalized, the amount of people doing marijuana will actually DECREASE because it won't be a form of rebellion anymore. It'll just be another legal activity. ^_^
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Why dont the leaders just get together, get stoned and watch 2001: A Space Odyssey.
then there would be no war.

**MehPlusRawr** · Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 1389

I just want things to be reasonable. I don't like smoking cigarettes in general, and don't like smoking weed by extension, but I really don't see any reason why both don't have the same legal status. Make them both legal or make them both illegal, really.
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**Davers** · Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:37 am Post subject:

**NfskMjmMal2** · Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 1000

The reason that I said that it was likely that I wasn't going to respond is because it's clear that it's extremely difficult to change anyone's opinion, so arguing probably won't do any good. Instead, I intend to consider the facts/opinions brought up by each side, because this is an issue I don't have much knowledge about (partially because I don't do drugs).

Yes, that was a poorly worded post. It came from a more depressed and frustrated me. Regarding my friends, something is different about them now than a few years ago. I don't know what, and I obviously have suspisions, but nobody knows for sure. It's frustrating because I feel like I've lost my best friends. I don't want sympathy. It's just that my standpoint against drugs naturally lead me to believe that they were part of the case. And I still do, and I know that correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation. I never meant to imply that I thought I was better than anyone, I just have a different opinion.
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