What would you think about "6-star" ratings?

**JCirri** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 4576

Now that I've determined how cutoffs for 4-stars and 5-stars are calculated, which you can read the details in my FAQ.

But to summarize, basically it comes down to the fact that you need to average a 2x multiplier to earn 4-stars, and 3x for 5-stars. So based on this fact, I could theoretically derive new cutoff values for "6-stars" (averaging a 4x multiplier). All the 6-star cutoffs would be easily possible to achieve because there is star power in each song.

This would add a whole new level of difficulty for those who have already achieved 47/47 5*'s on expert (including myself as of a few hours ago Mr. Green

), and would also provide a new goal for people who have gotten 5-stars on some easier songs.

In order to implement this idea, the base_score (as described in the "Rating System" section of my FAQ) must first be accurately known for every song (lots of work). But then I would only require you to submit your score, and optionally your percent and streak. Subsequently, the rating would be automatically determined from your score (and potentially 6-stars if high enough).

For example looking at CBfH-Expert, here's some output from my program I've been developing to process song scores:

Estimated 4* Cutoff: 171720
Estimated 5* Cutoff: 257580
Estimated 6* Cutoff: 343440

As you can see, it appears 4 users have already achieved the estimated 6* cutoff on CBfH-Expert. (it's a big step going from "Estimated" to "Exact", which is why we still need people to submit proofs for cutoffs)

This is still a long ways down the road from even being able to implement, but I'd like to hear your thoughts about the idea.
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**SkepticalMario** · Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 310 Location: Minneapolis, MN

Bravo! Yes, that is a great idea.
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Hard: 11M, 47 6-stars
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**MaximusDM** · Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

What I would do personally about the 6 star is change the color of the 5 star icon to a color like red or have it a blinking .gif or something. I wouldn't tack on a 6th star it would look sort of strange and might even be confusing to some.
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**JCirri** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 4576

Yeah that's true. The details of the images can be worked out later, and we could call it something other than "6-stars". Right now I just wanted to see if people would be interested in having another goal to shoot for on each song.
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**Anthrice** · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 128

That is so awsome. Something extra to shoot for once you achieve all the game has to offer.
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**MaximusDM** · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:29 am Post subject:

Yeah, I would definately be up for it as a new higher goal.
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**Anthony** · Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 659 Location: Cali

Great idea. I'm very far off from 5 starring all the songs but once I get there I would like something more to strive for.
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**Fly1ngV** · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:22 am Post subject:

idk, i'm a little skepticle of this. it just seems odd.

**Drakken** · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 183 Location: South Jersey

I like that idea. And I agree with Maximus; it should still be shown as 5 stars, just make them gold or blinking or something.
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**SkepticalMario** · Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 310 Location: Minneapolis, MN

A few things:

0) I am fully behind the idea of a 6-star rating. Since this site is all about personal achievement, a level between ***** and 100% will paint a more accurate picture of a person's skill. I recommend a green ***** icon.

1) Since the 5* cutoff is exactly 150% of the 4* cutoff, it isn't necessary to find the 4* cutoff on any song using trial and error. That cuts our work in half.

2) There should be an organized effort to find these cutoffs. Each song should be assigned to someone who is responsible for finding the 5* cutoff; then no one will duplicate another's work. I volunteer for any number of songs on easy or medium.

3) Can we have lower ratings too? It follows that anything less than the base_score of a song is worth **, and maybe less than half the base_score can be *. Obviously members with low scores (like mine on Cowboys from Hell--Expert

) might not appreciate this, but I would

and the idea should be thrown out there.
EDIT: This wouldn't be any extra work either.
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Hard: 11M, 47 6-stars
Expert: 11M, 47 5-stars

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**Matt** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 3780 Location: Bethel, Vermont

I like the idea of adding 0*, 1* and 2* ratings

**JCirri** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 4576

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**InvadErGII** · Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 126

I voted 'no', though I can certainly see its benefits. I kinda like the idea of there being a site-determined "6 star rating", but I definitely don't see the need to tinker with the game's numbers at all (I may be misunderstanding what's being proposed, though).

edit - Any idea on how this would affect our little signature stat things? Would the 5 star or 100% be replaced with this or would it get its own? I would definitely be more in favor of the latter, as 5 stars and 100% are still noteworthy achievements on their own and don't really need to be replaced.
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**JCirri** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 4576