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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You also have to remember, this was last July. There was no Rock Band yet, GH80s wasn't even out yet.

If you compare GH3 only to GH2, there really were quite a few improvements. The interface is a lot cleaner, with a few problem such as having SP "bulbs" instead of a bar, but things like the setlist interface are much, much nicer. Being able to actually see what notes are HOPOs instead of just having to know, having a note streak indicator, etc. The HOPO system is off, but I'm not sure that you'd really notice that in a short play-session, or at least be able to really know what was wrong. You'd also have no idea about things like the early tick-squeezing and other small problems that the SH community has with the game.

Personally, I was completely satisfied with GH3 myself, until RB came out. I think most of us were. It's a fine game, I definitely don't hate it or anything, it's just that on most occasions, given the choice between playing GH3 or RB, RB almost always wins out. It's mostly the replay value of GH3 that people seem to complain about, and like emptyset said, they had around 4 hours to play it, it's impossible to figure things like that out so quickly. You're only playing each song once, you can't really be thinking "will I want to play this song 100 times?", you're just going "oh nice, La Grange, I love that song! That was pretty fun, what's next?".

Regardless, I'm sure some interesting facts will come out of this trip for the SH community, the type of stuff that doesn't appear in magazine write-ups. There's plenty of questions that only the really serious players even know to ask, so hopefully we'll be able to get some information about that kind of thing for you guys. There's a lot of cool potential with the liveblogging, so I'm personally really looking forward to seeing what we can do with that.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone, nor envisage the kind of response I would get; there is nothing wrong with my personal attitude thank you very much, I definately don't expect to be on the recieving end of an Ad hominem from a moderator.

You refer to it as a positive review of a beta product which is a pretty mild understatement. Reading through there is nothing, I repeat nothing negative said about the game. Probably the fairest review comes from GT1T, and I appreciate that everyone has differring opinions on games, but if i went trawling through websites reviewing GH3 I very much doubt I would find too many that see it as pretty much perfect.

Back then I would have liked to have known what was discussed at the table meeting to know what sorts of things would looking iffy with the game as well as what was positive. I definately agree with the reviews that the Les Paul controller is awesome, that the graphics are a great step up from GH2 and that there is a very nice setlist even if the difficulty curve in the main setlist is flawed. However there are still many problems with the game, which i won't go into seeing as it's going off-topic.

Again I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway, and in hindsight probably shouldn't have made the post even if I think it's a valid point. I look forward to to reading about GH:WT anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thedevilsreject wrote:
I appreciate that everyone has differring opinions on games, but if i went trawling through websites reviewing GH3 I very much doubt I would find too many that see it as pretty much perfect.

That's a completely inapt comparison, none of us were writing full reviews of the game at the time, what we wrote were previews, nor were we pretending to either offer a comprehensive review of the totality of the game (reviewing all of its strengths and weaknesses) or a final judgement on the finished product, we were just to offer our impressions of what we were able to see, and state how overall it matched up (quite favourably) compared to our expectations. If you compared our previews to the typical enthusiast press preview, you would not see any huge difference in terms of the amount of positive statements, etc etc, (though due to our voice as enthusiastic fans rather than as fans pretending to be impartial press, its written more informally and amotionally than the typical preview) and if on the other hand you were to compare say what was written by those of us that previewed the game back then to say an informal review of the full product by talking to that same person later, then you would, i presume, see that none of us would say that the final game was perfect (nor did we ever represent that view in public or private), nor would there probably overall be a much different impression of the game compared to what the reviews were, though im sure it would depend on person . For my money i think that the reviewers were harder on the game overal than i would have been, but i understand why those scores shook out the way they did, and i happen to know some of the people who were on that trip with me who are possibly more tough on the game than the average review.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God damn, I tried to leave this, heck I even apologised but whatever. If you want to call it a preview than that's fine by me, my original point still stands that there was a complete lack of anything....again I repeat anything negative which at the time felt rather disconcerting. You misunderstand if you think I want the game taken to the cleaners, like I said there were many positives and even as a review I would say that GH3 was a very good game. All I want is a little more balance, pointing out some flaws doesn't mean you don't like the game for crying out loud.

But still seen as you made a deal with differentiating between review and preview I did decide to go look up some old previews for GH3.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/792/792801p2.html

Gives a lot of positives but also a few negatives over problems with the timing windows etc etc. However at the time they are sure that it would be fixed. Is that the sort of thing that could not be included?

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=1396

Official Xbox Magazine slammed battle mode even in the preview. Now this one is different to the first in that it's opinion but it still shows that even at pre-production you can include negativity in it. Like I said I do not want it trashed for past time, just some more balance in it. Now I really don't want to continue with this but if you do then whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

please give us some good info on the song creator bc it looks really fun


i r going to be so when GH:WT comes out
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could be here to meet you guys... but I'll be on my honeymoon while you guys are gone! Sad sad.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thedevilsreject wrote:
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/792/792801p2.html

Gives a lot of positives but also a few negatives over problems with the timing windows etc etc. However at the time they are sure that it would be fixed. Is that the sort of thing that could not be included?

I would counter by saying I thought the larger note windows were actually an improvement to the game, and not something broken that needed to be fixed. I actually prefer the GH3 engine to Rock Band's. And on top of that, I mentioned the relaxed note windows in the ScoreHero thread about the event last year. It's like it was ignored. Neither was Battle Mode, which I never liked and several people were clearly lukewarm about in their posts on the event.

So I guess my question is, what else was so "broken" in GH3 that people thought the ScoreHero guys missed at their event? The fact that a bunch of guys all playing on Expert didn't see that Hard was overcharted, or that a final Battle against Lou that wasn't available to play was poorly balanced? Other than that, I thought the game was flippin' awesome. We can't all be clairvoyant, you know.

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I wish I could be here to meet you guys... but I'll be on my honeymoon while you guys are gone! Sad sad.


What? FAIL.

Well, also, grats.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really can't be bothered to argue with this anymore, one person, two people, heck even three is ok, however it's pretty obvious im going to have to face everyone who did a review and it's not something I have the inclination to do. If you think people were lukewarm about their response to battle mode I suggest you go back and read the thread. I won't link anything, I don't want to.

I realise the wording of my first post in the thread was wrong and I apologise for that, but I stand by the point I made. There really is nothing more for me to say other than me repeat what I have already said to emptyset and Barfo, and I'll likely have a couple more of you guys come here as well so like I said I'm out.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did look at the thread from last year. Some people liked Battle Mode, and some people -- myself included -- absolutely had a "meh" reaction to it. I'm not sure what was wrong about that.

I know it probably feels like people are piling on you here, but it was actually Apples' comment that bugged me more. I thought GH3 was an awesome game with a few flaws that would only be considered minor to Expert players, but that post sounded like a guy who thought GH3 sucked and is bearing a grudge that more p/reviewers didn't agree or "warn" him months in advance.
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Barfo  





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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thedevilsreject wrote:
I realise the wording of my first post in the thread was wrong and I apologise for that, but I stand by the point I made. There really is nothing more for me to say other than me repeat what I have already said to emptyset and Barfo,

Actually you could bother to argue and develop your points to clarify them, and generally support them with actual examples and precise logic. If all you can do is repeat your points in the face of people challenging aspects of them with specific examples and reasoning, then chances are they werent very solid points in the first place, but whatever, however if you continue to argue points of fact without bothering to reply to the opposing arguments, even while using the fig leaf of claiming to be retreating, then i dont feel much like i am pilign on for the following:

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If you think people were lukewarm about their response to battle mode were lukewarm I suggest you go back and read the thread. I won't link anything, I don't want to.

Actually i think we were there so we know what we thought. I suspect those of us who didnt care much for battle mode or were lukewarm to it (though i speak really only for myself), didnt bother to mention it much as it simply wasnt a big factor in my overall impression of the game (partly due to lack of context). We mostly wrote up highlights of our experiences and since the overall experience was overwhelmingly positive of course thats what you heard, to come back and try and establish some sort of chimeric concept of balance by nitpicking around for any cold water we could throw on the experience would not have been an accurate reflection of what actually occured at the event.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 week left to go!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuitarHailz wrote:
Hafkie wrote:
You know... there is still time to make me a staff member. (wink, wink)

This will never work....

Seriously though, have an awesome time.


Hahaha. Too bad even that much isn't an insta-ticket to this gig. All staff are not created equal. ;)

It's no big though. SOMEBODY has to moderate the site while all the mods are awol.

Have fun guys.

Pick random people you think are fit for a temporary job?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully some one checks out the fretboards, to make sure there isn't anything like the Joe Perry one (Neversoft O in logo type). How did that fretboard ever get into the game...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barfo wrote:
thedevilsreject wrote:
I realise the wording of my first post in the thread was wrong and I apologise for that, but I stand by the point I made. There really is nothing more for me to say other than me repeat what I have already said to emptyset and Barfo,

Actually you could bother to argue and develop your points to clarify them, and generally support them with actual examples and precise logic. If all you can do is repeat your points in the face of people challenging aspects of them with specific examples and reasoning, then chances are they werent very solid points in the first place, but whatever, however if you continue to argue points of fact without bothering to reply to the opposing arguments, even while using the fig leaf of claiming to be retreating, then i dont feel much like i am pilign on for the following:


Is it impossible for you to let me leave this...seriously?

I really don't want to continue this any more, admittedly for a selfish reasons (the fact that I don't think I can really win when I have 3 people, and the potential for much more, against me).
I won't make any more points about your reviews so you guys can't come back at me about that anymore, even if I do want to argue about your second paragraph I won't, however I take offense to this first part. Specific examples you say? Lack of evidence eh? That isn't why I went provided LINKS which backed up my point. Develop my arguments? I can't see how I could have developed my arguments any further, every post I have made have been well substantiated and developed, history is my specialisation so I damn well know what a developed argument is thank you very much.

Oh and do not insult my intelligence thank you, Im well aware that you were the ones who were there, and Im well aware that you were the ones who know what you though. However when half the moderators post nothing but good things about battle mode and the others post nothing about what they disliked about it I came to the the conclusion is that it was a good thing. I am sorry I obviously reached the wrong conclusion. I've already been on the receiving end of an Ad-hom from emptyset I hardly appreciate you passively insulting me, or I'll start to do the same. Besides the first post which I've admitted was worded wrongly and apologised for I have been nothing but completely civil, sometimes it appears you are not doing...or has the fact I negatively critiqued your 'preview' really struck that much of a raw nerve?

Now I hope I haven't left any way of you continuing our old argument over what should have been included, and like I say I don't want to keep arguing either because I don't think I win, but I refuse to let you slam me in public without having my say.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you enjoy it guys.

I'll be stuck at school, whilst you guys are doing the exact thing I'd give anything to have the chance to do.
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